FS#14424 - give lilo back in the install wizard

Attached to Project: Release Engineering
Opened by amir (pika) - Wednesday, 22 April 2009, 10:14 GMT
Last edited by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Thursday, 29 December 2011, 20:51 GMT
Task Type Feature Request
Category AIF
Status Closed
Assigned To No-one
Architecture All
Severity Very Low
Priority Low
Reported Version 2009.02
Due in Version Undecided
Due Date Undecided
Percent Complete 100%
Votes 1
Private No

Details

in 2009.02 lilo had been removed from the install wizard
you cannot edit the file and install it as part of the install wizard like before
you can chroot after completing the wizard to install it

i request giving lilo back as option in the wizard like there was in the 2008 releases

i could not find the discussion in the arch dev-public mailing list
i could find one theredebian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg261395.html"> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg261395.html
if the reason for removal in arch is indeed image size on amd64 i think that justifies a short warning in the wizard :

choose a boot loader
grub
lilo (use at your own risk)
none

but not just removal
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Closed by  Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be)
Thursday, 29 December 2011, 20:51 GMT
Reason for closing:  Won't implement
Additional comments about closing:  nobody wants to support/maintain lilo support in aif
Comment by Tobias Powalowski (tpowa) - Thursday, 23 April 2009, 20:35 GMT
you can still use archboot isos, which still have lilo support.
Comment by Aaron Griffin (phrakture) - Friday, 24 April 2009, 20:34 GMT
  • Field changed: Category (System → AIF)
  • Field changed: Reported Version ( → 2009.02)
  • Field changed: Architecture (All → All)
Dieter, what do you think? Personally, I hate lilo and think it's crap software...
Comment by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Sunday, 14 June 2009, 18:27 GMT
If anyone can give me a good reason why the wizard should provide the option to install lilo, I will accept patches to enable lilo support again in AIF
Comment by Aaron Griffin (phrakture) - Wednesday, 17 June 2009, 19:17 GMT
The only valid reason seems to be "choice", which I can support. Still, it's the choice between eating a nice juicy hamburger, or a turd
Comment by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Wednesday, 17 June 2009, 19:48 GMT
afaik we value simplicity higher then choice. (at least i do) So unless there is a good reason why we would compromise simplicity (a bit) in favor of choice, i think it shouldn't happen
Comment by Gerhard Brauer (GerBra) - Wednesday, 24 June 2009, 17:23 GMT
I only know 2 reasons for lilo:
a) works with GPT partition tables (our grub-legacy package doesn't)
b) lilo could be used as boot loader on raid levels other only raid0/raid1 (untested)

But lilo back in installer? Hmm, abstain...
I think it could be installed from command line (instead grub from installer) for those people who will use lilo...
Comment by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Wednesday, 24 June 2009, 19:27 GMT
I wonder how lilo compares to syslinux. Though the latter seems to support gpt only experimentally (http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Changelog). Anyone knows how well it works? Is it a worthy replacement for lilo?

Fwiw: readding lilo support back doesn't seem that hard ( see http://projects.archlinux.org/?p=installer.git;a=blob;f=setup;h=7b3d80342ac31a775078ea3162737fcd082bd075;hb=02edf10459168b5ad6e0814b0bd8ddcb9fc0e104 )
Comment by Tobias Powalowski (tpowa) - Thursday, 25 June 2009, 05:31 GMT
archboot still supports lilo and also supports syslinux,for those who need it.
Comment by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Thursday, 25 June 2009, 17:25 GMT
Tobias, you seem to maintain archboot well. But I don't think the goal should be to encourage users to switch to unofficial media.
Especially for the install scripts it would be silly to let our branches diverge. Rather we should try to keep them in sync as much as we can.


So if it were up to me, i would accept patches for both lilo and syslinux
Comment by Dieter Plaetinck (Dieter_be) - Thursday, 29 December 2011, 20:50 GMT
since we added syslinux, nobody seems to ask for lilo anymore. I don't know stuff about bootloaders, but those who know what they are talking about rave about syslinux, and nobody seems to step up and provide a patch for lilo, so i'll conclude nobody cares enough to integrate lilo into aif, so i'll just close this.

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