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FS#9783 - emacs manual is not available

Attached to Project: Arch Linux
Opened by Arthur Danskin (wiremore) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 07:45 GMT
Last edited by Roman Kyrylych (Romashka) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 19:49 GMT
Task Type Bug Report
Category Packages: Extra
Status Closed
Assigned To No-one
Architecture All
Severity Low
Priority Normal
Reported Version 2007.08-2
Due in Version Undecided
Due Date Undecided
Percent Complete 100%
Votes 0
Private No

Details

Description:

The info files for gnu emacs are not installed. This is a bug, not a feature request, because the manuals are an integral part of emacs. For example, you can type "C-x F" to look up the emacs lisp function under the cursor in the manual. This is analogous to typing help(foo) at the python repl, or using yelp in gnome. It's really disruptive to have to start a web browser and look around when finding help should only take a few keystrokes.

At least, there could be an "emacs-info" package if everyone doesn't want to install it. But emacs is huge anyway, so it doesn't add too much.

Additional info:
* package version(s)
* config and/or log files etc.

This applies to emacs 22 in extra and emacs-cvs in community. I am particularly concerned about emacs-cvs, since that is what I use.

Steps to reproduce:

start emacs. Type "C-h r", or "C-h C-f", or "C-h F", or "C-h V"... and observe the error message about the lack of installed manual.

Thanks!
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Closed by  Roman Kyrylych (Romashka)
Saturday, 08 March 2008, 19:49 GMT
Reason for closing:  Not a bug
Additional comments about closing:  already implemented in the current emacs package
Comment by Qin Zhu (zhuqin) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 08:36 GMT
I don't see it as a bug, I see it as the Arch way -- no docs except manpagers.
and it is not difficult to find a emacs-manual on its official website.
Comment by Arthur Danskin (wiremore) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 09:12 GMT
I see the arch way as "do the most simple and convenient thing possible, and don't include unnecessary extras." The lack of included info pages here makes the emacs packages much less useful (at least to me), with no reduction in complexity or benefit to anyone. Looking at the manuals through a web browser is much less convenient than through emacs, and installing the info pages manually would require me to build emacs. I would agree that installing docs for most programs in unnecessary, but I really think that the manuals form an integral part of emacs. It isn't called the "extensible _self_documenting_ editor" for nothing.
Comment by Roman Kyrylych (Romashka) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 09:21 GMT
mm, there are packages like coreutils-info, binutils-info in Community.
emacs-info would be nice too ;)
another example - DevHelp docs are not available in Extra packages, but there are many *-docs packages in Community/Unsupported
Comment by Roman Kyrylych (Romashka) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 15:00 GMT
heh, actually, since emacs-22.1-4 info pages are included ;)
Comment by Roman Kyrylych (Romashka) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 15:17 GMT
@Arthur: what version of emacs do you have?
Comment by Arthur Danskin (wiremore) - Saturday, 08 March 2008, 18:40 GMT
Oh, haha, I should have checked. I'm using emacs-cvs from community.

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