FS#34549 - {mailinglist} remove moderator approval from arch-general or make a public ML
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Opened by mark (mmm) - Monday, 01 April 2013, 15:07 GMT
Last edited by Allan McRae (Allan) - Monday, 20 May 2013, 22:03 GMT
Opened by mark (mmm) - Monday, 01 April 2013, 15:07 GMT
Last edited by Allan McRae (Allan) - Monday, 20 May 2013, 22:03 GMT
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Hi,
as we all know, arch-general has been locked down to moderator approval after some high-volume ranting (over systemd if I recall correctly). The situation now is, that when I post a reply/solution to an issue, it waits (usually 6+ hrs) and is rendered useless as delivered too late, other people duplicate effort due to lag on communication and post an answer too, or mine gets disapproved (eg as "already answered,not an issue, etc)..it just makes me angry for wasted effort. As well it renders arch-general useless to me, the beauty of open community is in collaborating fast, I posted in the list, I got a reply within 1 hr,usually just a few minutes (not necessarily from a dev, but a fellow archer etc.). Thus, I'd like to ask you to: #A: open arch-general ML write access again, as the high-vol debate is already faded. If some devs feel bothered, they may sign out off the list. #B: keep things as is, and provide a new list "arch-gibber" or whatever. There's almost 0 comunication on arch-general now,so.. Thank you, Mark PS: this ain't no April's fool. :) |
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I don't see how a moderated ML impacts the speed you get answers to your queries. It can happen once or twice, but that's the price for ML order. Do you believe that only those subscribers who still are under moderation can help you with your issues?
For fast answers, there's always IRC. I'm not sure about off-list e-mails.
.."but once you're an unmoderated subscriber " yes, but what is usually important is rising the question quickly or getting a fast first answer.
Moderation brings a considerable delay to post/asnw issues. No, I was saying any archer can help me.
Against IRC, ML is archived and I search before asking, so some answers can be reused. Also, the poor moderator's time would be saved for something more useful than reading ppls' mails.
If this is the case then why is it people remain unmoderated for the exact same actions you accuse me for?
namely:
top posting: you have corrected me I think once maybe twice yet I regularly see others do it repeatedly.
systemd debacle: I gave 1 response to that which if I am correct you rejected as just adding fuel to a fire.
Since then the few responses I have given are also rejected for reasons you say are not allowed yet happen all the time.
yes I understand it is a tiresome job, but you (and others?) decided to take it on so I think you need to focus more on the unmoderated than those you have already flagged.
Quote:" what is good for the goose is good for the gander!"