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FS#25639 - [jre/jdk] roll back jre/jdk 7 to a stable release

Attached to Project: Community Packages
Opened by Thomas Wouters (twouters) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 11:28 GMT
Last edited by Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 20:24 GMT
Task Type Bug Report
Category Packages
Status Closed
Assigned To Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123)
Architecture All
Severity Low
Priority Normal
Reported Version
Due in Version Undecided
Due Date Undecided
Percent Complete 100%
Votes 2
Private No

Details

I posted this earlier on the forums but created a bug report as requested:

Hi,

I'm not too sure where I should post this, but personally I think the whole move from java 6 to java 7 was a bit too soon in Archlinux.
Right after releasing it to the wild, oracle changed their minds and made it available for "the developers to ensure no major problems are found before we make it available on the java.com website for end users". http://java.com/en/download/faq/java7.xml

Since I'm not a java developer but an enduser, like many others, I would like to ask you (package maintainers) to consider rolling back to java 6. (Not sure whether that's even possible with pacman)
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Closed by  Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123)
Thursday, 18 August 2011, 20:24 GMT
Reason for closing:  Implemented
Additional comments about closing:  created jre6/jdk6 in [community]
Comment by Thomas Wouters (twouters) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 11:57 GMT
Could this bug report be moved to the Community project?
Comment by Jelle van der Waa (jelly) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 11:58 GMT
Done, again this is archlinux we provide the latest and greatest. therefore we will not rollback to 6
Comment by Andrew Gaydenko (student975) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 12:09 GMT
As we have lts kernel, it would be handy to have the same way official jdk6. Among showstoppers reported by Apache there are other breaking changes I have met in my work flow.
Comment by Jelle van der Waa (jelly) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 12:10 GMT
lts kernel is different, since its still maintained. Not sure if thats the same with java.
Comment by Andrew Gaydenko (student975) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 12:29 GMT
As far as few upcoming years almost all corporate java users will avoid java7, I even can not imagine Oracle will not fix serious bugs in jdk6 (would they will be discovered, but current jdk6 as is is very stable).
Comment by Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 12:52 GMT
"Among showstoppers reported by Apache there are other breaking changes I have met in my work flow."

Can you please list some?
I don't know any other bugs besides a breakage with older lwjgl based games, nobody has said anything so I assume it all works.
The showstoppers reported by apache are rarely encountered. Afaik, they're the only projects affected by the bug.
Comment by Thomas Wouters (twouters) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 13:00 GMT
I just started a live chat on liveperson.com to ask someone about future updates on Java 6 but it didn't work on my laptop (i just got a grey window), while other java apps work fine. So I switched to a Windows PC with Java 6 and that did the job.
(not sure if the issue was java version related or not though :))
Anyway, the answer I got was that it's standard practise that the older versions are being updated. Unless Oracle decides to abandon java or something like that :)
Comment by Andrew Gaydenko (student975) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 13:25 GMT
> Can you please list some?

Yes, but I'm not sure it will be interesting :-) I can not build Netbeans Scala plugin from git because of some internal (com.sun...) changes in jdk7.

> Anyway, the answer I got was that it's standard practise that the older versions are being updated. Unless Oracle decides to abandon java or something like that :)

Exactly!
Comment by Eivind (mokkurkalve) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 14:14 GMT
I downgraded to latest jre 6u26-1 as the authentication system of my netbank uses Java and did not work with Java 7. Besides libreoffice does not seem to load Java 7 and whatever else I use Java for does not seem to work any worse with Java 6 atleast. However; if somebody was intrested enough there could be made jre6 and jdk6 packages for AUR if Arch does not want to support this officially I guess.... (Personally I'm not that intrested. Downgrading is good enough solution for me for probably a long time to come...)
Comment by Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 14:17 GMT
I already created jre6/jdk6 in the aur.
Comment by Andrew Gaydenko (student975) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 14:18 GMT
There is jdk6 in aur, but it, say, doesn't conflict with openjdk6 (but must). At any case jdk is too fundamental thing to use aur.
Comment by Thomas Dziedzic (tomd123) - Thursday, 18 August 2011, 14:23 GMT
"hi, I would like to bring back java 6 back into [community]

oracle originally released it for the general public, but since then, they've taken it back. [1]

I will move this back into the aur as soon as oracle releases an update which is labeled as ready for general use.
I expect that to be either the first or second update to java 7.

[1] - http://java.com/en/download/faq/java7.xml";

edit: fail copy/paste

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