You're working on separating apr, right Jason?

subversion doesn't need apache. subversion needs apr. pacman should pick up apr unless you have apache already installed.

What's the output of:
pacman -Q apr
pacman -Q apr-util
pacman -Q apache
pacman -Si subversion

I did sudo pacman -S testing/subversion and it went for apache.. ok I couldn't smell my fingers. [greek phrase: meaning "who should I guessed"]
maybe apr or apache or subversion should inform the user with echo

[nk@Freud ~]€ pacman -Q apr
Package "apr" was not found.

[nk@Freud ~]€ pacman -Q apr-util
Package "apr-util" was not found.

[nk@Freud ~]€ pacman -Q apache
apache 2.0.53-2
[nk@Freud ~]€ pacman -Si subversion
Repository : testing
Name : subversion
Version : 1.1.3-2
Groups : None
Provides : None
Depends On : apr apr-util db>=4.3 expat gdbm glibc libxml2 neon zlib
Conflicts With : None
Replaces : None
Size (compressed) : 2485273
Description : Replacement for CVS, another versioning system
MD5 Sum : b0e2098c222fabe4cbd9b3f7127f75df

Repository : extra
Name : subversion
Version : 1.1.3-1
Groups : None
Provides : None
Depends On : apr apr-util db expat gdbm glibc libxml2 neon zlib
Conflicts With : None
Replaces : None
Size (compressed) : 2485220
Description : Replacement for CVS, another versioning system
MD5 Sum : f72f18c786e02c44a8f43063a691e76e

added apr and it's working. plz inform the user somehow about that.

the Euro symbol went binary. Better bin than $

Unless something's changed, by default subversion will pick up apr/apr-util instead of apache.

How exactly am I supposed to inform the user? I found a reference from when I did it in an old newsletter: http://archlinux.org/~jason/newsletters/newsletter-2004-May-23/

I guess I forgot to actually post a news item. It's a little late now though.

So it seems like a test is required here to see what happens when I pacman -S subversion, as of today, on a clean base install without apache.

I will attempt to do that today.

As of the state of the repos on my mirror (from late last night), the pacman -S subversion does NOT try to install apache, and it does pull apr. And subversion seems to work nicely. Subsequently installed thttpd, and it appears to work fine, too.

Versions:

subversion 1.1.3-1
apr 0.9.5cvs-1
thttpd 2.25b-1
pacman 2.9.5-1

The problem appears to happen when apache is installed first, then removed with subversion still installed. This seems to be a slight bug in pacman. The below scenario is allowed to happen, even though it shouldn't:

Package x provides A.
Package y is installed which requires A.
Package x is removed.
Package y no longer works.

I think that the most simple reasonable solution would be to NOT allow package x to be uninstalled unless package y is first uninstalled. It may be that pacman isn't properly picking up dependencies on provided capabilities in dependency checking.

I'll also send this to Judd and Aurelien for consideration, since it involves pacman behavior.

Let's hold this bug open for now until there's a decision to create another against pacman or to take some other action.

I propose echo "subversion needs apr (apache framework [or what the hell is it]) if you have apache, apr wasn't installed. So if you remove apache you have to install apr"
peace

I'd prefer fixing the problem at the pacman level, make pacman realize that subversion depends on apache because apache provides apr.

ok me too. I was talking about a temp solution..
Paul u got a patch?

Haven't delved into the pacman codebase yet. So it's unlikely I'll come up with a patch anytime soon. I also haven't heard from Judd or Aurelien about this. We'll just have to wait a bit.

This isnt really an issue anymore, since both apache and subversion depend on apr-util, however Aaron might like to keep this around as a good test case for the pacman3 code.